I'm sure this is a bit weird if you're reading there - or on the RSS feed - because it's one huge image.
But this is an issue with RSS - it's difficult to know how your nicely designed post will look in any given browser
This is a post I wrote on Multiverse and crossposted to my blog
But there is also a link above to the original hypertext if you need it
For a few months I wondered: "Will I switch my blog to Multiverse once it's done?"
But now I see
Doing this sacrifices the 'network effect' of Multiverse
Using the tool when it makes sense
Rather than needing to jump ship from your existing blog or wiki or social site
But whatever - the thing that's really enticing to me is offering a tool for blogging that augments what you're already doing
But that is a short-term vision
The Web is the long-term vision
If we can strengthen it and make it more varied and full
Perhaps one day styled posts could be embedded nicely in feeds - no one cares yet
if it is fluid to cross networks, then you can drop off a network quite easily
A Gentle Update
The little composer adjustments previously alluded to
No real reason for the Steven Universe stickers - except that I've been watching it for a second time and it's the best.
I actually started watching Rick & Morty bc a friend said I should - but it felt like a lot of the same humor you can get from Family Guy or South Park - I didn't make it far :(
Nothing against that kind of humor - but Steven Universe has a unique, restrained humor that somehow ends up being funnier to me.
I did enjoy the 'gears wars' guy in Rick and Morty tho
- kicks & glitchyowl
Small Updates Rolling Around
You all on fire around here.
Glitchyowl and I pass links to all these posts and just marvel - monochrome magic from lie and massive art dump from local anomaly, so much inspiration
Been an eventful summer - even glitchy o and I haven't had much time to talk
But finding more time now - also have two live scrapchats in the works for September.
Oh just want to say that Multiverse was originally glitchyowl's concept - she pulled me aside to explain it - and the name was hers and all that. We're straight-up 50/50 on creating this thing - both pouring time and thoughts and endless chats into it.
I imagine there's some confusion about that - but no way I could have done all of this - don't even look at it as 'mine' - more just stunned that I got to help!
We are so 50/50 that we just co-sign all these posts as one. On Multiverse, our pronoun is 'we'.
- kicks & gitchyowl
What Waluigi Does to Us
Memories of a Chat #1
Some of you may know about a certain Waluigi chat from a few days ago.
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, MANY PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING HOW HAWT THIS IMAGE IS AND THICC!!
There's also another image I will post in a second to prevent excessive arousal.
Yes, such a thing is now possible.
Here is that... other picture I mentioned. 🥵
Now that some time has passed and I have been able to contain myself - I have revisited that chat, looking for answers, trying to understand myself and my own relationship to Waluigi's body.
It got bad - and I probably shouldn't be talking about it here.
Especially not when we're trying to get more Multiverse users!
Most people know you can't talk about Waluigi's ass and expect to get more Multiverse users.
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, ONE THING I NEVER WANT TO FORGET IS WHEN A USER NAMED SNUFKIN SAID "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SERVER" IN AN EFFORT TO PUT A LID ON IT - HOWEVER EVERY THING IMMEDIATELY GOT HAWT AND THICC AFTER THAT
These are my cherished memories of a very special moment in chat.
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, THAT USER NAMED SHILOH HAD TO BE GROUNDED FOR THIRSTING ON WALUIGI IN THE DISCORD!!!
Kind of funny that we've been talking about offering invisible boxes
And they were already possible
You just don't know where the edge is
When you're writing
Need to figure out a way to make a really funny post bc this image seems so forced right now
If you design the comic log using a frame with a border
You can toggle to the invisible one at the last second!
that blended gradient for a backdrop is smooooth!
love seeing when a frame breaks the mold
i am on it
i realize i'm not supposed to look in here but ehhh jasonshen's blurred stripes down there are hawt
huh's understated box even
like i never knew how to use thick borders but this is giving off ideas...
Outer Web Subcultures
Actually this isn’t a good post at all about web subcultures
Seven years ago, when I started a blog, it was the worst time to start a blog. No one read blogs any longer - not through readers, not through feeds - a blog was not in any of the feeds that people were reading at the time.
Now - there are a wealth of blogs once again (not just recipe blogs and stock advisors) - and many classic blogs started back up - such as Waxy and 'Web Curios'.
Lol @salmysaur: "all we need is a simulated dialup"
Not only that - but there are a wealth of subcultures on the Web now - just thought I'd list out a few. Maybe there's something out there for you?
Old Timey Blogosphere
This post was also 'composed' live on stream June 23rd. Going to throw comments and asides from the stream in this color box.
In fact, chat took over this post - so going to just go straight into the questions here in the CENTER OF THE POST
Gemini / Gopher
simonpanrucker: I was curious about what your current plans are for multiverse, like what are your next things you're most excited to try out with it?
Eyyy, simon!! Love you so much hahah - seriously good to hang in text realms with you :}
So we have some secret plans that will be arriving soon - we don't want to build hype for something - just drop it when it's ready.
But we have some new toolbar objects - 'components' - this area -> I'm very excited to add YouTube / Soundcloud ofc - but we have plans for new types of controls that are unique to Multiverse.
Ayy wuz! This is the best <3 to be typin live - ty for all the g8 stuff you've been sharing.
We also have some basic things that have been overlooked - like Markdown input - we want the text component to work much like Discord. Emoji selector. LINKS. @-style mentions.
Oh and we'll be offering a special way of linking to someone's Multiverse post - by showing a limited preview of the post instead of just a link. And it can be expanded directly from the original post.
Neocities / Shrine Keepers
Personal Directory Crowd
so this is a 'scrapchat' - i mean who knows what to call anything any more - the 'blogchat' on the home page is much like this - but can be done over time. So each user adds to the post over time.
Does that make sense at all?
simonpanrucker: I was thinking something like it would be cool to make an account that's like "MULTIVERSE TOPICBOT" that gives a topic every month and everyone who creates a post based on that topic or title will be added to the topic post, liike a zine yeh - so this linking thing would be amazing for that!
Part of the goal there is to give you a good way to make a 'zine' of posts - or of friend's posts - by having a master post that is a table of contents. Or just chaining posts together.
Digital Gardens / Zettelkasten
@wuz - what do you mean by 'headers' in text?
We think a lot about this! We're hoping that Multiverse posts can become formidable creations on their own - such that they will be revisited over time, rather than just being a blog post that passes by in an instant.
I think, for us, it's about giving you enough tools to use - and encouraging investment of time into posts. If you have any ideas how to encourage that - this is part of the discussion we're always having.
@wuz - what do you mean by 'headers' in text?
Maybe next time I'll get around to actually writing about the topic at hand.
Safari's Full Coat of Paint
On mmm.page Discord, someone shared these screenshots of pages in the new Safari - with the tab bar blending into the pages.
Seems really great for this particular 'whole page' look!
The only thing - wish I could have images crossover under the tabs. Like a sticker pattern that the tabs could just float on top of.
The discussion about the new tab bar at 12:30 makes me very glad that Multiverse's menu is at the top...
Not Just a Subreddit
Okay, going to take a minute to write about 'groups' in Multiverse. This discussion has originated from kvnk's Multiverse Wishlist - here's the relevant part:
Weiwei asked for more thoughts - and these got posted to the Multiverse Discord (https://discord.gg/5MvkKjAyrM if you're not already there) with some very important points:
Okay! This is a really great discussion! The part about creating limits that are too rigid - and the part about encouraging fluid thinking - these are super-important discussions to Weiwei and myself! We have probably talked about this topic more than almost anything else.
The vast majority of groups on the Web are formed around topics. Even hashtags, which can be arbitrary phrases of any kind, are anchored around the essence of that word or acronym.
The gateway into this group is not a shared topic - it is the format.
The other key wikis in the group are not focused on philosophy or morality - they all write about their own personal interests - video games, Internet culture, letterboxing (in the case of Sphygmus, pictured)...
Yes - this does lead to a lot of 'meta' discussions. But hey - those are fun too!
This all feels similar to TikTok 'duets' - where the format, the style, the convention brings people together - to discover each other.
And - since Multiverse is a very style-driven format - with a focus on having a frame and a comic log style that reflects your identity and your voice - there may be a similar dynamic in play.
Take 'Nya' - what group does this go in?
I hope to god that it's a group I belong to!
But - will it be?
One of our thoughts has been - if the site is people-focused - so everyone has unique frame styles that identify them, they have their own layouts and profile pages (coming sooon 😜) - and you feel like you are collecting people as you work within its network...
Then it could be through those people that you discover more people - and the unique format assists this by allowing you to connect with people who are also styling frames and hacking the format - so that you can appreciate what they're doing, even without connecting with their topic!
And, hopefully, without there needing to even be a 'topic' in many cases!!
AESTHETICS AS A GROUP
The aesthetic may symbolize topics or concrete ideas - like solarpunk is a symbol of a lush, hopeful future
It is effortless to immerse yourself in solarpunk and be in a new community suddenly
It's really cool to see different styles of comic logs emerge - and it's possible that people may connect based on the formats that get carved out
This is already a dynamic on the Internet - especially with something like 'vaporwave' or 'solarpunk'
The aesthetic can carve new alleys
But more importantly - what kinds of groups do NOT exist??
However, now that you've got Billie Eilish subreddits and hash tags and Facebook groups - is there a need for more Billie Eilish groups? Well - sure! But will you discover anyone new in the process?
It's also incredibly easy to both create and find these groups!
There's nothing wrong with this - certainly you can find great art and community by joining a subreddit or following a hashtag
210417 - Carpe Diem: table disco and packing
210418 - Carpe Diem: a very miscellaneous day
comic essays like this one
which is something we hadn't considered in the least!
Who knows what other styles and moods may emerge from Multiverse and evolve into their own groups
So we will be adding more groups over the next little while along these lines.
So this post is mostly just distilling a small part of those chats.
Perhaps new kinds of groups that don't yet exist?
This Week in 'My Documents'
We will have a place for roundups at some point. For now, I'll just drop this here.
Emotions are high - even in the thesaurus community.
I saw this image on a thesaurus site or something
stuff found in
This is a picture I drew of two friends.
Just sitting in My Documents folder.
A picture of the miniature library in my nightstand.
I know Salinger is out of style - but Iris Murdoch's "Under the Net" is truly phenomenal.
Okay this is a screengrab of a mod I am working on for Tabletop Simulator 😊
It is a hand-drawn version of a Japanese game called Scout!
A knockoff of the original
It's a ladder-climbing game (like Scum or Tichu) but cards can be upside-down or right-side up - so it adds a nice extra decision
This wasn't in 'My Documents' but I also liked this article that has been going around.
I particularly appreciate that it links to an old Tamagotchi graveyard site on Tripod.
Some pictures of this website are now in 'My Documents' folder - so this has been a fruitful experience.
Wondering if anyone is out there!
Hi, this is my first somewhat long post to Multiverse. I don't really know what to say - it's difficult to be interesting in a forced test post! But I will try. (Even if trying to be interesting is the worst idea in the world.)
Oh, wait! I know what I can post! TEST POST. TEST POST. TEST POST. TEST POST. TEST POST. TEST! TEST! TEST POOOOOOST!!
Sweet - that felt good. Words are actually pretty easy once you get used to them!!
Apple Stories with S. Joy Mountford
A transcript of the Clubhouse chat that went down on March 11th, 2021 at 6 PM Pacific
S. Joy Mountford
The Monochrome Days
Stories from her time at Apple
(specifically the Human Interface Group in the 90s)
Lol - they kept telling her, "Just hang on - something is happening." This cageyness is STILL so Apple.
She described John Lassiter's "Pencil Test" short - released to coincide with Quicktime.
Impressing the Imagination
Some people did not want Hypercard to be produced. Bill Atkinson worked offsite. It didn't fit into the culture at Apple.
Guy named Don Norman walks by while Joy is working - first card is an index card with a picture of a fish and a telephone number. "I don't get it. A fish doesn't have a telephone number." "Don, it's a graphic, not a real fish." (This really cracked Joy up - but I get the sense that the guy was almost saying: "wtf, Hypercard is so random...") When pressed further about the reason Hypercard didn't fit in, she said: It was like asking people in the UK to switch the side of the road they drive on - people just didn't see the reason to put on a new paradigm.
"It was a totally different way of computing. And people got confused. No shit!"
People needed to see it in a new light - but they saw it as a different model that offered no benefit. "You don't play Call of Duty in the same way that you listen to audiobooks."
Other Assorted Thoughts from the Q&A
Lol. Going off on "A.I." again. She did this in the first chat and I ate it up. The word "intellegent" and "deep" being bandied about. "Why do people not know what Eliza is? How many lines of code was it? And when was it written?"
She's @sjoymountford on Twitter.
More to come they say!
👏 👏 👏
a night to remember
We take for granted all the space and computing we have today. At the time she joined Apple, she started on a Macintosh SE. It was a $2,000 computer with two 800k floppy drives, 1 meg of RAM - ONE meg! - barely anything to work with. And they were trying to do Quicktime with pictures the size of postage stamps.
In those days, illustrative and animated story-telling wasn't valued yet - so we also take for granted that story-telling is a part of design work.
She had a connection with NYU ITP - and thought that they would bring a few students in to gain exposure to computing. Dan O'Sullivan was one of the interns. He had a camera pointed at a Coke can for like a month. Another person was taking a picture of water droplets over and over.
She thought, "What are we doing? This is going nowhere."
Just days on end during that summer of taking thousands of mundane pictures.
She was told, "Leave everyone alone. Just be patient. Something is happening."
These thousands of photos were stitched together into a Quicktime VR scene. When they showed their first demo, people gasped in shock that they could pan around the room and see the different sides of it.
(Here she mentions: people were standing next to a machine with freon to cool it down - presumably while it rendered?)
The summers were full of interns experimenting and it sounds like Joy would write up job descriptions for them that would provide them with a cover while they did all this random work that few really understood at the time.
Ok the Golden Gate Bridge story. They brought a Mac Plus up to the top of the Golden Gate. It had a hard drive attached as well. The whole setup was bigger than the elevator to get up there (which fit two) - they hoisted it up with a crane.
There was no ground to stand on at the top just cables. Dan O'Sullivan had to go up there to work - and hadn't mentioned his fear of heights prior.
The whole thing hadn't been really planned out - but they pulled it off. Thousands of pictures stitched together in an elaborate scene above the Golden Gate. They begin to give this treatment to other lush interiors - palaces in Russia and galleries and such.
Presenting to Russia, their first demo of the VR image had no reaction. No clapping, no response. They were devastated.
It turned out that the audience didn't believe it was real! Afterward, they had to impress upon one of the faculty that the demo was real by putting his hand on the mouse and illustrating that the room they had captured (in Pavlovsk Palace) could be navigated. He cried when he realized what he was seeing. "You have more computing power in this single machine than is at this entire University."
Re: developing guidelines for developers, to ensure that Apple products were consistent. There was no "police force" at Apple, it was designers writing well-written, simple-to-follow guidelines to ensure that everyone was on the same page.
"It wasn't as glamorous as going to Russia, but it was just as important."
She developed color designs on a monochrome screen, during the transition to color! She asked for a color monitor. "Don't be ridiculous, you can't have one of those." Don't know if they weren't ready or something.
So she designed on a black-and-white screen, flipping down color "foils" over the black-and-white screen. (Cellophane I presume?) "Here's what it looks in blue." (Flip.) "And here's what it looks like in green."
While talking about how many great works from the past have been ignored and not followed. "Newness is very overprojected and underdelivered."
Interesting story about getting people to open up creatively by having them cut up magazine images and Xerox their collages. People were shocked at what they were capable of.
"I listen to music today - and I hate it! But I learn new things by listening to it."
"We don't sit and watch enough - we just react. [...] But it can be practiced. Sit and watch people. And wonder: What is that person thinking? What would happen if a ball fell on them. Practice observing." She mentions a Welsh four-year-old who discovered a large dinosaur footprint while the father was on his phone, standing by her.
Education was not a lucrative thing to pursue, never has been. Apple had to compete with IBM. There was no competition in the "entertainment" front. And games were just for children. She cites The Mechanical Universe as a foundational work to teach Physics. But it was an uphill battle to get to those shifts.
Re: "productivity". Work in those days was about developing plans, documentation, producing spreadsheets. Visualizing those things was quite controversial. Visual learning was seen as a niche thing - perhaps even mystic. It seemed extraneous to spend time designing the view of a project. Now it's taken for granted that you can "design post-its" as "productivity". (Lol - this feels like a jab at Kanban boards. XD)
Mention of a female mathematician who had long hair - and all the male workers assumed she was a designer. "She's a mathematician - don't go asking her to make you icons."
Story of people cutting their fingers installing graphic cards in the computers. Dripping blood would short the boards! The execs had no idea the difficulty people were having until they did studies and filmed videos of people doing the installations.
Oh wow. So - when color monitors came out, people didn't understand that the screens were still going to be black. (When powered off and during early boot stages and stuff.) So they would return the computers bc the monitors weren't "color"!
Hah! She's bagging on icons again. But hey - what could be more iconic? (Esp those original slanty Mac icons.)
Joy felt that these creative tools opened computing to women, who had been isolated from the male-dominated world of programming. Anyone who looked different at the time was sent to Joy because she cultivated a team with a wide variety of talent. But it wasn't just an appearance thing - she discovered that most of the people she was drawn to had a background in music.
They had to spent a lot of time in the office because most of the computers couldn't be transported home easily. They called them "Luggables" (adorable! such a "gigapet"-type term) computers like the Powerbook that were somewhat transportable but not easily. They still had to use pen and paper quite a lot with no Internet to keep their home and office work in sync.
She talked a bit about this book A Day in the Life of Australia - with 30 different countries represented among the workers on its staff, which was unusual at the time. This was a series of photographic books - and Joy loved that the series also showed photographers doing their work and some behind-the-scenes stuff.
She felt this was important because "if you're going to tell a story outside of the reader's world, you should show the connecting story that bridges to their world - to draw them in."
A bit later, she talked about how Americans at that time were less impressed by demonstrations than other cultures because they were exposed to high-tech capabilities much more frequently. She said something like, "Once we are exposed to an innovation, our imagination catches up to it and other things become less of a stretch."
HOPE I'M ACCURATE HERE. THESE ARE LOOSE NOTES AND IT'S A BLUR FOLLOWING EACH STORY AND NAME BROUGHT UP. SO TAKE THIS AS SOMEWHAT IMPRESSIONISTIC SHALL WE SAY.
okay time for another Clubhouse transcript